[PS3/PS2/PSP] Super Robot Taisen Z Saga

[Alex Halman]

Bonta-kun (notare che uno dei Bonta-kun MP ha un Harisen... sarà un caso?)

 

No, e se guardi anche le armi degli altri due...

[Fencer]

- Il Tengen Toppa è utilizzabile perchè nei livelli in cui ci si troverà ad usarlo lo spazio avrà le stesse caratteristiche di quelle dell'Antispiral. Idem per K****a (anche se è utilizzabile per modo di dire).

 

- Il Triple Inazuma Kick c'è. Ma è un evento via testo.

F***.

 

- Sembra che all'inizio Noriko e Nono non vadano d'accordo.

 

- Reazione di Heero e Setsuna quando Banagher attiva l'NT-D per salvare Marida:

 

Heero: "Setsuna..."
Setsuna: "Yes...he (Banagher) has also become....a GUNDAM!"

 

- Ci sono di nuovo lebbbbotte a piedi quando i nostri si infiltrano ad Alcatraz per liberare dei prigionieri. Hallelujah unleashed.

 

- Il Chouginga non si può usare sulla Terra perchè ha la stazza della Luna.

 LEGGI FISICHE? NEL MIO SRW? VERGOGNA!

 

- Barbiel è combinato in quel modo perchè è drogato. In Rengoku gli hanno iniettato qualcosa che ha fomentato l'odio che teneva dentro di sè e poi l'han piazzato su un mech la cui Sphere funziona ad odio.

 

- Nono è sgrava, specie in versione Diebuster. Letteralmente game-breaking. Idem Dix-Neuf quando si "sveglia".

 

 

Daiguard

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aidWKTtrK4

[Fencer]

Altri spoiler turbonucleari sulla trama, ma alla fine per capire come funziona bisogna aspettare le story faq.

 

 

 

 

1. THESE PEOPLE ARE FUCKING RETARDED http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/103019-dai-3-ji-super-robot-taisen-z-tengoku-hen/71592770
2. Screencapped for posterity: http://imgur.com/rSbb4bI
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4. Z3-2 story stuff in no particular order by TE spoiler guy !HccvJPE8Dk
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6. INDIVIDUAL SERIES
7.  
8. Ending has the multiverse restored to its ORIGINAL state before Kei fucked things up.
9.  
10. Zambot 3: Gaizock returns. Turns out that because the angels were destroying galaxies due to people reaching shinka, it bugged and decided that this is the same thing as people destroying galaxies themselves, and defined them as evil and went around killing them.
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12. Daitarn 3: The Meganoids were killed by Banjou off-screen. All of them.
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14. Tetsujin 28: Uchuu Maou returns and is just around to be one of the higher dimension beings (people that reached shinka) opposing the angels.
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16. Godmars: Same as Tetsujin with Zuul instead.
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18. Mazinger: Same as Godmars with Hades and the gods of Olympus instead.
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20. Votoms: Wiseman still wants Chirico to be his successor and brings Fiana back to life to try and manipulate him. Chirico thanks Wiseman and blows him up. Both Chirico and Teitania retire in the ending and just do AT battling all day. Chirico is going to use the prize money from his next win to fund Vanilla and Cocona's honeymoon.
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22. Orguss: Kei, Orson (and Ziene from Z1) are still the original singularities so they're needed to fix shit.
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24. Zeta Gundam: Hamaan becomes the leader of the new Neo Zeon in the ending with Char helping her out, and he promises to never leave her side. (On an unrelated note: He is totally to be trusted and has never betrayed anybody in his entire life.) Kamille and Fa and Four go back to school, and Kamille plans to become an MS engineer.
25.  
26. CCA: See above for Char. Amuro retires and becomes a test pilot, saying he might test out an MS Kamille designed some day.
27.  
28. Gundam X: The Frost brothers are still alive, remember? They show up in the crowd when everyone is cheering Z-Blue on during the fight with Advent and that's fucking it.
29.  
30. Wing: Remember how the Zero System used to be part of Eolia's plan in Z2? Heero accompanies Setsuna into the ELS core and uses it to help him sift through the data overflow. All the Gundam pilots join the Preventers in the ending, and Wufei puts on a Preventer uniform and when told it suits him says that this is now his justice.
31.  
32. Turn A: Gwen joined Chrono and is a liaison between them and Australis. In the ending he goes back to being the lord of Inglesa. Loran leaves with Diana like in the show, but it's stated that Diana is living on borrowed time, and he promises to come back to Sochie's side, where he belongs. (tl;dr BOTH OF YOU ARE MY WINGS)
33.  
34. Seed: Didn't go on the Gundam routes but ZAFT joined Neo Zeon in serving Sidereal or something there and Rey became head of ZAFT or whatever. Everything's resolved on the Gundam routes and Rey joins (as a summon for Shin).
35.  
36. 00: Setsuna and Tieria leave to visit the ELS home planet in the ending but Setsuna meets Marina before leaving (and they have their lines from the movie post-credits ending there) and promises to come back no matter how many years or decades it takes. Ribbons is still hanging out inside Veda and helps Tieria grow a new body and build a new Gundam after the ELS blow up Raphael (Tieria thinks he's just another Innovade of the same type, but it turns out that it is Ribbons himself, who reformed because of Amuro)
37.  
38. UC: Turns out that Laplace WAS the fucking constitution after all, but there's more to it- The Marcenas clan serves Chrono and the first EF president was assassinated because he planned on revealing the truth behind Chrono. After Mineva reveals the contents of the box she gets hijacked by a recording of Elgan Rodick from the Celestial Being ship which reveals the stuff about Chrono.
39.  
40. Top: Kazumi comes back and is young again because IT'S A MIRACLE (literally no real explanation). In the ending both of them go back to their own time (Kazumi still young) and are reunited with Jung. They also hear about the message, which was made by Jung (who became president) from Nono, and see it on the green Earth after Nono stops the Douzemille.
41.  
42. Top 2: Tycho's plot is completely cut. Nicola's attempted rape of Nono is turned into a big event where he decides to angst and be a dick to everyone but everyone decides to give him a good talk about what it means to grow up and whatever and he gets over it. They also completely forget about the attempted rape part. The green Earth is turned into Douzemille (everyone on it is evacuated to the blue Earth) and used by Dix Neuf in an event battle sequence and stopped by Nono like in the show, but one of the reasons is because she was trying to protect the message for Noriko and Kazumi, and she activates it there.
43.  
44. Macross 7: Basara goes running after space whales again in the ending. Also Max and Gepelnitch show up.
45.  
46. Eva: Near Third Impact results in everything related to Eva being sent back to their own world (You go back to the giant crater where NERV used to be for the showdown with FMP's Amalgam). The four Evas later get dumped back in this world halfway through their big Central Dogma fight in 3.0 (Shinji screwed up and only pulled out one lance), and their ending is them going back to their world and parting ways. Kaworu's still alive though.
47.  
48. FMP: Played straight, but none of the novel-only people fight. Caspar does show up in a Venom-type Chodar (= presumably an Eligor) but only in map events. None of the novel-only people are voiced, so you don't fight Lee or Sabina who just vanish at some point never to be seen again. Fucking stupid.
49.  
50. Macross F: Grace comes back and restarts her plotting with Mishima who has her shot (she survives and does that remaining shit in the movie with the stage before dying for good) and he in turn is killed by the Galaxy heads who take over the Battle Frontier. Alto can choose between Sheryl and Ranka. Regardless of which Mikage from Aquarion shows up to kidnap Ranka (if you choose Ranka he says GREEN HAIR MUST NEVER BE HAPPY) and uses her to make his own Ancient Aquarion. Also the TV and movie Vajura are of different... flocks? Swarm? Whatever. Anyway that shit about them using Aimo to look for other flocks to mate with actually comes to pass.
51.  
52. Aquarion: See Macross F for Mikage. In the ending Apollo and Sirius end up back in their own world in their own time so good for them. Also yes these are the same Aquarion characters from Z1 except they were supposedly gone all this time so I guess they're pretending they weren't in Z SPD and Z2 or something.
53.  
54. Gargantia: Mostly played straight, but it turns out that Ledo's world is one where Char succeeded in his Axis drop, fucking things up. Striker runs off at the end of the Gargantia finale and joins the Macross Galaxy people, and is mass produced by them.
55.  
56. Geass is mostly irrelevant. Lelouch tries to geass Doctrine and Tempti but fails because of course he does. CC has some shit with Asakim about immortality. Karen is a Votoms character.
57.  
58. TTGL a shit.
59.  
60. Originals: Setsuko, Toby and Denzel end up in the same world (her original Toby and Denzel are dead, remember?) and they complete the Virgora's test runs so that it's ready for mass production. Rand and Mail are suddenly reunited with Cielo and when they ask him where he was it turns out he was on the Solarian all this time. Crow is in debt again. Hibiki and Suzune take the Solarian and go explore the gates.
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63.  
64. ORIGINAL + MISC. STUFF
65.  
66. Eluna got her ship as a present from her father, the previous leader of Hyades. It had a dormant sphere as its power source (so basically the same as with Virgo's) which was awakened when Sidereal beat the shit out of Hyades and killed her father. Hyades ended up joining Sidereal but she still wants revenge on the Angels.
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68. Shikuu's sphere is passed down through his clan along with the Shiseiten (which is a living being, not some sort of robot, and the crab-things his cronies use, the Shimeisou, are the Shiseiten's offspring with armour on). Blah blah Sidereal killed everyone except people they could use as cannon fodder so he's mad.
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70. So in both cases, basically the same thing as Gatorade and Geminy.
71.  
72. The naming of the other sphere robots is obvious but in Shiseiten's case
73. -Kishuku (also the name of Shikuu's clan) is one of the Chinese 28 mansions and blah blah blah go read wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-Eight_Mansions (that's #23 鬼 there) and is located in Cancer's constellation
74. -In Chinese mythology or whatever it's said to be the place where the souls of the dead go to
75. -Shiseiten (尸逝天) = "heaven where the dead go to"
76.  
77. Barbiel is from a parallel Earth and the sole survivor. Everyone but him dying awakened the sphere in his robot, the Gun Ares (the An Ares' original name). He renamed it later because Gun (like in Gunbuster and Gundam) was a thing used everywhere in his world and it makes him saaad.
78.  
79. Shikuu killed Annalotta but not her children, Anna and Lotta (great names, hobo) because that wasn't part of his mission, so the Geminide race will live on after all.
80.  
81. The three time/space travel routes (Shinji, Char, Crow) are:
82. Shinji- Z-Blue ends up in the Evangelion world (wrecked from the Near Third Impact) and see that it's fucked up but the Eva people refuse to talk about it. Nichola does realise that Shinji's bearing a heavier weight than he thought though and apologises for his previous attitude. tl;dr nothing happens
83. Char- Z-Blue ends up in the Black History version of the Axis drop where Zeuth is fighting Char (your people helpfully point out that some old members of Zeuth who aren't in Z-Blue are there too). It turns out that the black Angeloi (Angeloi Arca) accelerated Axis which resulted in the drop succeeding.
84. Crow- Z-Blue ends up in Insalaum before Gaiou attacks, and run into black Angeloi which try to summon Gaiou. He shows up, but after seeing Z-Blue's fighting figures he'll leave Insalaum alone since it has potential beyond that of his dimension beasts (which don't grow stronger, unlike humans), and thus this parallel Insalaum is saved.
85.  
86. Chrono's queen is Ziene, duh. King is Carlos Axion (not Jr., the father) who has lost all hope now that his son is dead. His family has traditionally always been Chrono's King, and Jr. was supposed to be the next one.
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88. Sidereal is basically the Angel's cronies composed of survivors of people they've slaughtered.
89.  
90. Vildark is one of the dimensional generals and plots to defeat the Angels. Eluna and Shikuu, having had their people destroyed by Sidereal, are in on his plan, and willingly die to give him their spheres (Barbiel was a dick and not in on the plan so they just kill him). After Z-Blue reaches shinka he angsts over how he killed so many people to make his dimensional monsters and decides he has to keep fighting or everything he's done so far will be for nothing.
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92. When Gaiou got his memories back at the end of Z2-1 he sent Shiony back to Earth with a message for any other dimensional generals who would show up, and she delivers it to Vildark. She's now a teacher in Limonesia.
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94. The blue Earth is mostly based on ADW while the green Earth is based on UCW. The inhabitants of the green Earth are evacuated to the blue Earth which is protected by a dimensional barrier, the Svalinn, which runs on the life force of its inhabitants (it can last about a month, during which Z-Blue has to defeat the space monsters and angels). The green Earth is turned into the Douzemille (Top 2).
95.  
96. Advent brainwashes the shit out of people just by being near them. His Chrono cronies think he can do no wrong, and so does everyone in Z-Blue who's been around since Jigoku-hen. Newer members like Garrod and Ledo wonder why the fuck everyone is trusting this SUSPICIOUS AS FUCK guy and when they finally start to question things he just attacks them. Maki (the nurse) has her brains so addled she doesn't even know if she approached Hibiki of her own accord, and Blue takes a killing blow from Asakim to protect Advent. (After being defeated by Hibiki, Maki is sent off to another world with her memories erased, and she's seen in the ending fine but with no recollection of what happened all this time).
97.  
98. Hibiki's mother had found out about the angels through ancient writings and shit and Advent decided to have her kill her own son and then herself. She resisted him and killed just herself, and this surprised Advent, and he wondered if Hibiki would be similarly strong and so killed his father and sister to see.
99.  
100. Tempti calls herself "Titi" and pretends to be a civilian girl who hangs out with Hibiki and tells him a sob story about being abused by her mother and whatever and then pretends to die horribly and even has a funeral and shit. All just to fuck with him. For fun.
101.  
102. Shinka (真化, NOT 進化 or 神化) is the process of becoming a higher dimensional being (stuff like Mikage, Hades, Zuul, the Angels) through enlightenment and realising the truth of the universe, namely that everything has a will (not just living things but rocks and whatever) and by understanding and becoming one with them. There are artificial ways of reaching shinka too, and emperor Wakamoto's plot was one of them (it's never said but it's pretty obvious that instrumentality would've resulted in shinka too)
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104. The Angels were also inhabitants of Earth, and were the first in all universes to reach Shinka, by combining all life on the planet (basically instrumentality). This combined life then split into four beings, based on the Japanese idea that there are four emotions (喜怒哀楽/kidoairaku = happiness, anger, sadness, joy; Joy in the context of SRWZ3 being different from happiness in that it's defined as deriving enjoyment = having fun from something, while happiness is just being happy while not enjoying it. The difference between ki and raku confuses a lot of people IRL too and there are arguments on the nuances of raku and there are entire books written on it so fuck it.), with each being having their one emotion. Hence we have Advent of Happiness, Doctrine of Rage, Sacrifi of Sadness, and Tempti of Joy. All life means literally ALL life on their planet, and their Earth is now completely dead without even bacteria. Their reaching shinka also connected their world, the Chaos Cosmos, to ALL other parallel worlds. They decided they should control the entire multiverse and watch over lesser races, and by watch over I mean stopping them from reaching shinka by killing them. They made their god Sol to control origin law/dimensional power to help them but he killed himself because they were assholes, and split into the twelve spheres. Chrono is an organisation they created on all other Earths to hold back those other Earth's humans from reaching shinka, hence why it exists in multiple worlds.
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106. They can get over the 12000 year cycle of destruction easily, but they need to remake Sol this time because it's not the usual 12000 year thing but a one in 120000000 year bigger version. Some shit I've forgotten about happened 12000 years ago which resulted in Advent exiled and Sacrifi sealed away. Sacrifi was the one who created the time prison to protect Earth because wahhh everything so sad.
107.  
108. Doctrine is a fucking genius and gave Advent the Helios when he was exiled, but they need it to recreate Sol and so welcomes him back, but Advent is still mad about the whole exile thing and uses the other angels and eight spheres to create not Sol but to turn himself into the new supreme god, Z. He wants to end everything and start anew with him in charge of everything.
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110. The universe is made of two powers, that of existence and non-existence (the latter actively tries to destroy shit). The destruction of the universe is brought about by the latter overpowering the former, and Baal is anything that carries it out. Doctrine claims that Z-Blue is Baal, and then declares all other living beings to be Baal too, but by going around killing people he's weakening the power of existence and therefore he's a Baal. It later turns out that Advent wanting to destroy everything so that he can start the universe anew is the real Baal.
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112. Z is supposed to have been reborn by using the black sun, Prodigium, Helios, and the 12 spheres, but Advent replaces the four missing spheres (your's) with four eternities instead, those of the other three angels and Asakim. Asakim's desire to die disables his own eternity (in the game he and Advent say that Z is granting his wish to die, the library entry says he "steals Advent's eternity") which weakens Z and lets Z-Blue defeat it.
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114. Shurouga was a parallel version of Sol made to control Akashic Record. Not even the angels know what it really is, but since it's a parallel version of Sol it can detect the spheres which are shards of Sol, so they used it as a sphere detector. The Shurouga does not look like what it originally did; It absorbed memories and information from countless deaths and rebirths of the universe and changed over time. Asakim is a copy of the original pilot created by the Shurouga itself, but it's suggested that because the Shurouga had changed over time it might have screwed up some details when making him.
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116. Kuro no Eichi (Black Knowledge) and Chrono H (pronounced "kurono eichi" in Japanese) are the same thing, smaller shards of Sol. It means Chrono Horizon and refers to how Sol looked to the horizon of time and despaired and killed itself or whatever.
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118. Advent is dead, The Edel goes with Advent and is dead. They're now outside of the cycle of reincarnation.
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120. Asakim is dead, the remaining sphere reactors are dead (all of their ghosts, including Uther and Im's show up to chat after they're freed from the spheres). The spheres are gone, but they're now free to rejoin the cycle of reincarnation so we might meet them again (they say as much).
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122. The things at the end are gates, not zones. They're not referred to as crossgates, just gates.
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125.  
126. -Spheres
127. Zodiac: Name - Reactor/Title (title if unknown is taken from Neo Reactor version) - Unit - Enemy version sphere act (Neo Reactor version in case of allied spheres)
128. Aries: The Lying Ram - Im Liared (Harmal Argo) / (Mardachiel) - Arietis - Reduce aim on all enemies within 10 squares
129. Taurus: The Ravenous Bull - Elunaruna Burnstraus (Asmodel) - Pleiades Taura - All enemies within 10 squares lose 40 EN each turn.
130. Gemini: The Discordant Twins - Gadlight Meonsam > Hibiki Kamishiro, Saijou Suzune / Ambriel the Over Riser - Geminia > Genion, Genion GAI, Geminion, Geminion Ray - Reduce will by 3 on all enemies within 10 squares each turn
131. Cancer: The Silent Crab - Shikuu (Muriel) - Shiseiten - All enemies within 10 squares do not recover SP.
132. Leo: The Wounded Lion - Rand Travis / Verchiel the Heat - Gunleon - All enemies within 10 squares take damage equal to 10% of current HP each turn
133. Virgo: The Grieving Maiden - Setsuko Ohara / Hamaliel the Star - Virgora, Virgora Kai, Virgora Glory, Virgora Glory S - All enemies within 10 squares lose 5 SP each turn
134. Libra: The Swaying Scales - Crow Brust / Zuriel the Unbreakable - Brasta, Li-Brasta - All enemies within 10 squares have movement reduced by 3
135. Scorpio: The Grudgeful Scorpion - Unknown / Barbiel the Needle - Gun Ares, An Ares - All enemies within 10 squares have armour reduced
136. Saggitarius: The Standing Archer - Australis (Vildark) / Adnakiel the General - Vildark - All enemies within 10 squares have damage dealt reduced by 10%
137. Capricorn: The Curious Goat - Unknown / (Hanael) - Unknown - Enemies within 10 squares have all barriers disabled.
138. Aquarius: The Bottomless Pitcher - Uther Insalaum / (Gambiel) - The Insar (The Insarius Aqlinus) - Enemy within 10 squares do not recover EN.
139. Pisces: The Dreaming Fish - Unknown / (Bachiel) - Unknown - Reduce mobility for all enemy units within 10 squares
140.  
141. Lines from defeating the Neo Reactors
142.  
143. Neo Mardachiel: "I am the Lying Ram's reactor. I am..."
144. Crow: "Not bad, but your lies are nothing compared to Im's."
145.  
146. Neo Ambriel: "I am the Discordant Twins' reactor. I am..."
147. Hibiki: "...Being the Discordant Twins' reactor isn't anything special. (That's why it's the core of the 12 spheres)".
148.  
149. Neo Verchiel: "I am the Wounded Lion's reactor. I am..."
150. Rand: "You sure aren't tough enough to call yourself a wounded lion!"
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152. Neo Zuriel: "I am the Swaying Scales' reactor. I am..."
153. Crow: "If you can activate your sphere without any debt, you might be a better reactor than me."
154.  
155. Neo Asmodel: "I am the Ravenous Bull's reactor. I am..."
156. Rand: "Desire isn't something you get from someone else. It's something you just get from deep down. (Right, Elunaruna?)"
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158. Neo Asmodel: "I am the Grudgeful Scorpion's reactor. I am..."
159. Setsuko: "Meaningless hate... Is just empty. (Barbiel... I think that my grief and your hatred were only the slightest bit different.)"
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161. Neo Bachiel: "I am the Dreaming Fish's reactor. I am..."
162. Rand: "Go back to sleep, puppet. It may be a nightmare, though."
163.  
164. Neo Adnakiel: "I am the Standing Archer's reactor. I am..."
165. Crow: "What the hell is a puppet going to rebel against?" Sorry, but Vildark was ten times stronger."
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167. Neo Gambiel: "I am the Bottomless Pitcher's reactor. I am..."
168. Crow: "Your false love can't save anything. (Uther Insalaum... I will never forget your love for the rest of my life..)"
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170. Neo Hamariel: "I am the Grieving Maiden's reactor. I am..."
171. Setsuko: "Your grief was forced onto you... And that's the saddest thing of all."
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173. Neo Muriel: "I am the Silent Crab's reactor. I am..."
174. Crow: "Nihilism isn't the same thing as emptiness. There's still a self in there. You ain't no Shikuu."
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176. Neo Hanael: "I am the Curious Goat's reactor. I am..."
177. Setsuko: "(The sphere Asakim drew power from... He may have been a false image created by a system, but he was still truly alive.)"
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181. LIBRARY ENTRIES
182.  
183. Angeloi Arca:  A mobile weapon directly under the Angels. While they look exactly the same as other Angelois except for the colouring, as they directly use origin law they are overwhelming tougher, and calculations say they are 30 times more powerful than regular Angeloi. Regular Angelois are cheap copies of tje Angeloi Arca, and only true believers accepted by the Angels are allowed to use them. In the history of the universe, they are seen coming to battlefields where Sidereal was suffering loses, and decimating those who would resist with overwhelming powers, and few know of their existence. Those few, however, feel the overwhelming existence of their owners, and live their rest of their lives in fear.
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185. El Millenium: A mobile weapon directly under the Angels. Its entire body is made of DEC (dimension energy crystals) and its drive and weapons use origin energy. They are controlled mostly by Idom spirits, which turn their thirst for life and bodies into attacks towards the living. They are even more powerful than Angeloi Arca, and it was one of these that defeated the previous leader of Hyades, Elunaruna's father. 1-3 are sent to each planet under the watch of the Angels, to be awakened to destroy all civilization if life on that planet starts to reach shinka against their will, and are feared in legend throughout the galaxy as "Beasts of Judgement". The dimension monsters used by the dimension generals are said to have been developed based on this.
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187. Zel Millenium: The strongest of the mobile weapons under the Angels. Its entire body is made of DEC (dimension energy crystals) and its drive and weapons use origin energy. Due to their incredible toughness and power, it is estimated that the average army of a civilization capable of interstellar travel in the Milky Way galaxy can be completely destroyed by only two of them. Only 666 exist in the entire universe, and only those chose are allowed to pilot them, and this is a great honour. Their being used in battles in regular space is even rarer than in the Angeloi Arca and El Millenium's cases, and in the past 12,000 years have only been used twice.
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189. Zel Billenium: Zel Billeniums were given to the artificial life-forms, Neo Reactors, created by Advent. Only 12 exist, each equipped with a fake sphere corresponding to each of the zodiac, and the Neo Reactors are able to use their sphere acts. They appeared near Earth to protect the Supreme God Z.
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191. Shurouga Sin: The Shurouga, evolved after Asakim took control of the flow of origin law in his four spheres. Its name means "sinner". Its black wings give it speed and mobility greater than that of the Shurouga, and its attacks cut through even causality, and exile its opponents from the cycle of rebirth. Through Asakim gaining and becoming the reactors of four spheres, the Shurouga, a system created to control causality, regained most of its original strength and showed a power beyond human understanding.
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193. Prodigium: A mobile fortress boarded by Doctrine and Tempti. Tempty is an irresponsible bystander, and Doctrine controls it. It is capable of an overwhelming power beyond human understanding, known as "miracles". It is a god-vessel born from the remains of the Supreme God Sol which shattered 12000 years ago, and along with the Black Sun inherited some of Sol's remaining flame. Its glorious figure drives the weak mad, sends the powerless cowering in fear, and rains judgement against those who would turn their backs upon it. Alongside Helios and the Black Sun, it is one of the keys needed to recreate Sol, but the Prodigium on its own is capable of generating enough origin law to destroy an entire galaxy, depending on the conditions. After losing to Z-Blue in the Chaos Cosmos, it was used by Advent in the ceremony to recreate the supreme god.
194.  
195. Helios: The true form of Advent's Assclaps. With the name of a sun god, it showed power beyond human understanding. It is a god-vessel born from the core of the Supreme God Sol which shattered 12000 years ago, and was given to Advent when he was exiled as a final mercy. Its glorious figure make the weak cry, breaks the powerless with despair, and grants absolute defeat to those who would turn their backs upon it. It is one of the keys needed to recreate Sol, and Doctrine sought Advent's return so as to gain Helios to overcome the great destruction of the universe. In its battle against Z-Blue in the Chaos Cosmos, it fought with eight spheres but due to Advent's scheming did not use its full power and lost to the humans.
196.  
197. Supreme God Z: A supreme, absolute being surpassing the causality of all universes. The original Supreme God was to have been reborn with the Helios, Prodigium, Black Sun and 12 spheres, but Advent replaced the four spheres with the four eternal lives of Doctrine, Tempti, Sacrifi and Asakim. It was named Z, meaning "he who watches over the end of the old world". By controlling eternity, the power of existence, and the death of others, the power of non-existence, it gained the power to destroy galaxies with origin law. It is impossible to measure it in terms of raw power, and cannot be harmed by weapons that have not achieved shinka. According to Advent, it was the only thing capable of overcoming the one in 120000000 year great destruction of the universe, and he sought to create his own ideal world from zero after everything was destroyed. After it was defeated by Z-Blue, the consciousnesses of all life gathered in its supersingularity, and a super-dimensional restoration was carried out.

 

[sirtao]

IMHO avrebbero dovuto usare New Getter per Z3. Era più adatto.

[Fencer]

Se la trama è davvero quella, nettamente.

Gli dei ci sarebbero stati come il cacio sui maccheroni.

 

Spero tra l'altro che nei prossimi SRW per home console si veda finalmente un bell'assembramento delle nuove leve dei brand, uno Shin Jeeg e un Gaiking ad esempio, che vadano a portare un po' d'aria fresca.

Magari un Build Fighters, se riescono a inserirlo.

[sirtao]

Build Fighters è ininseribile in un SRW normale. Funzionerebbe in un SRW con Medarot e LBX e simili

[Fencer]

Ininservibile magari no.

Però devi smanettare la trama o inventartene una post-fatto stile Virtual-On, quello sì. Forse addirittura peggio.

 

In ogni caso se anche non si vuole\può usare quello, mi piacerebbe vedere i Gundam poco utilizzati come capitato in W (con gli Astray) o Alpha 2 (con Crossbones). Insomma, la minestra per quanto buona comincia secondo me ad aver bisogno di essere svecchiata non solo nelle versioni portatili ma anche in quelle home.

Dopo cinque giochi con roster simili (e con gente che era già presente nei vecchi Alpha), serve un roster veramente nuovo. 

Che non aggiorni solo i Gundam.

Modificato 13 Aprile, 2015 da Fencer

[sirtao]

Il problema di Build Fighters è la scala. Sono semplicemente troppo piccoli per stare assieme anche solo a Jeeg e VOTOMS.

[Fencer]

Per quello dico che bisognerebbe smanettare parecchio la trama (magari qualche casino con le particle percui diventano a "grandezza naturale") ma a quel punto o fai tutto post-trama o la devi cambiare pesantemente.

E' un peccato perchè meriterebbe.

[Fencer]

Se interessa, qui ci sono i video di TUTTE le unità o quasi:

 

https://www.youtube.com/user/momogamesan/videos

 

 

Intanto m'è arrivato il gioco, c'è il codice per Rengoku. Mah, ora vediamo di smanettare un po' per fare l'account giappo.

[Fencer]

Dunque, penso di poter dare qualche prima impressione.

Prima le note tecniche.

 

Per quelli che hanno la Ps3, Rengoku si scarica proprio come ce lo si immaginava. Si fa un account alternativo a quello principale, lo si usa per farsi un account PSN giappo (ci sono delle guide online come quella di Kotaku e per l'unico passaggio veramente complicato basta cercare una lista di ZIP giapponesi online e poi la Ps3 fa tutto da sola se schiacciate il pulsante arancione), si entra nel suddetto PSN, da lì si fa il classico redeem code (è l'ultima voce nel menù del PSN) e compaiono due versioni di Rengoku: una da 304 mb e una da 506 mb.

Quella Ps3 è quella da 506mb. Una volta scaricatola, questa è disponibile per TUTTI gli account. Ergo una volta tirato giù potete switchare (cosa che con la Ps3 si fa con un click) all'account principale e dimenticarvi l'altro. Conviene giocare su un account solo se volete godere di tutti bonus che vi vengono dati dai complete save di Rengoku o Jigoku. 

 

Comunque, ho fatto un paio di livelli a Rengoku e un paio a Tengoku. 

Io personalmente ho letto tutti i whiner sulle board americane e i vari chan.... ma secondo me è ben fatto graficamente. Molto ben fatto azzarderei, con dei miglioramenti da Jigoku anche semplici ma efficaci.

Premetto che alla fine dei conti a me la grafica di Jigoku era piaciuta, eh. Il punto è il solito: la questione grafica è una questione prettamente coreografica, e qui si adotta lo stile del titolo precedente, ovvero semplice e veloce rispetto a quello molto più fastoso di Saisei, con piroette anche per beam saber e vulcan. E' un discorso già fatto, quindi per la maggior parte non lo ripeterò.

 

Aggiungerò solo un'impressione che non riportai all'epoca e mi è tornata alla mente facendo un altro giro ad Hakai (mi mancava ancora la route dei Celestial Being, ed è incredibile come sembra un gioco nuovo ogni volta): secondo i miei gusti personali alcune unità soffrono un po' in immersività per via del fatto di aver perso le cut-in "contestuali" rispetto alle versioni del gioco precedente. Caso in oggetto, lo Shin Mazinger.
Alla fine in Jigoku era diverso, ma mi piaceva parecchio anche lui. Era bello, definito da una risoluzione HD splendida, cattivo quanto serviva.

Non capivo cosa mi faceva preferire quello di Saisei, e a rivederli avevo pensato una cosa: i precedenti cut-in del Mazinger vedevano Koji all'interno del Pilder a muovere leve e quant'altro, mentre in Jigoku sono cut-in spesso avulsi da contesto, senza niente intorno, in cui vedi solo il volto. Emblematico in questo era il Breast Fire ad esempio, la cui Dynamic Kill era passata da Koji che lo pompava con la leva interna del cockpit al Mazinger incazzuso che pompa la potenza praticamente da solo in un cut-in ravvicinato pieno di cattiveria (e col Pilder un po' storto, ma soprassediamo).

Di questo problema non soffrivano i Gundam che nella serie Z non avevano mai avuto inquadrature "interne", e di nuovo ne soffrivano quelli che l'avevano avuto: altro caso, il Gundam XX che secondo me presenta la sua versione migliore nel primissimo titolo, Z per Ps2. Quant'era figo il cutin di Garrod che davanti al sistema di puntamento del Satellite Cannon urlava, con cambio di inquadratura sul Gundam? In Z2 invece nisba e a quanto ho visto neanche in Z3.2. E secondo me perdeva un po'. Le Macross invece spignevano.

Insomma, LOL, alla fine andiamo sempre a parare nei gusti personali. Ma secondo me Tengoku è molto bello dal punto di vista grafico per quel che ho visto, e anche Rengoku. A parte le aggiunte di qualche cutin che prima non c'era, la grafica è dettagliata e funzionale, non c'è un pixel fuori posto che sia uno, bellissimi gli effetti di contorno (laser ed esplosioni sembrano presi di peso dall'anime e sembra di trovarcisi all'interno), unità incredibili a vedersi (Z Gundam, Genion, le Macross, lo Unicorn, lo Shin Getter e via dicendo sono bellissimi in questi primi due livelli, sia nei movimenti che nella definizione, con lo Z che secondo me non è mai stato così bello e anche l'ARX mi pare meglio rispetto a Jigoku per quanto sia ancora un gradino sotto gli altri, però lo sprite è veramente figo), cut-in che fanno sembrare di star vedendo l'anime originale da quanto sono dettagliati (non sgranellano per niente a quel che visto, nemmeno in movimento, effetto "sei all'interno dell'anime" evidentissimo nei casi dell'Eva e dei Gundam ma anche in qualche altro caso: Tessa a sto giro ha qualche primo piano della puccetteria e lo usa in pieno).

La questione però è sempre quella: è una grafica che più che tendere all'esagerazione punta a semplicità, velocità e definizione, e questo è parecchio evidente ad esempio nel secondo stage di Rengoku dove Setsuko usa l'Across, un'unita che alla fine è una MP che gli capita in mano: l'unità è veramente sempliciotta pur essendo credo una versione MP del Virgola, ma nella suo essere "non main mech" mi è parsa semplice, funzionale e bella nell'attacco finale (il Plasma Cannon), che non è l'Ultimate Gravion però ha un bel cut-in sia del mech (in forma normale, non deformed) che di Setsuko (a tutto corpo stavolta, e mi sa che ha preso una taglia in più mentre cazzeggiava durante Jigoku). Ovviamente però sono tutte animazioni che durano il giusto, non ci sono attacchi che durano tre minuti (boss esclusi credo).

Insomma, è questione al solito di coreografia. Se quella di Saisei nel complesso (ovvero senza prendere roba come il TTGL) vi piaceva più di quella di Jigoku, non sarà Tengoku a farvi cambiare idea. Però resta una gran bella grafica a mio parere, e non capisco tutto il bordello letto dagli hater americani. Beh, hater gonna hate immagino. Tra l'altro hanno sistemato i numeri ridicoli di Jigoku.

 

Ovviamente non posso esprimermi dal punto di vista della difficoltà, ma il sistema di gioco mi sembra identico a quello di Jigoku. Al solito consiglio di scegliere l'opzione che permette di visualizzare on-map entrambi i componenti della twin, almeno vi evitate di avere i due omini che vi lampeggiano davanti e sapete sempre chi è con chi soprattutto per i casi di forced deployment. Non ho guardato le abilità (e in Tengoku non me le ha sbloccate nemmeno dopo due livelli, era tutto scuro a parte le opzioni di gioco e il classico save-load).

Ah, e speravate di usare il Chouginga nei livelli iniziali considerato che poi prima dell'ultimo terzo di gioco non lo rivedete più? Volevate usare il Qan[T] perchè poi vi sarebbe toccato girare per venti livelli su un pacchissimo OO Raiser? Volevate usare il Gunbuster da subito?

Rosicate perchè non si può. Il prologo si svolge dopo la battaglia con Shikuu, e vi levano due terzi del roster nei primi secondi del primo stage, fra cui le unità di cui sopra, perchè a occhio rimangono danneggiate nell'attacco preventivo dei Sidereal. A quanto ho letto il prologo sono i primi due stage, e li ho fatti tutti e due. Nessuna delle unità di cui sopra è utilizzabile. Però ci sono Shin Getter, Genion Gai, Shin Mazinger, Unicorn, Zeta, due Arm Slave (Sosuke e Kurz), due Valkyrie (Alto e Luca), tre Eva (Mari in twin con il Genion, Shinji e Rei) e tre batteship (Nahel Argama, Tuatha de Danaan e Macross Quarter), forse dimentico qualcuno ma tutti a piena potenza. Ma senza skill cattate, ergo il Gai è molto facile che non lo vediate in questo prologo. Però il NT-D e il Lambda Drive possono scapparci. Lo Shin Mazinger e lo Shin Getter (tra l'altro in twin col Borot) fanno MALISSIMO e sono una gioia per gli occhi.

 

Rengoku invece nel primo livello introduce Advent e un suo sottoposto (Blue?), che è originale come un cinepanettone come chara e ha un mech che è la versione verde e bianca di quello di Advent. Ha anche gli stessi attacchi. L'Across di Setsuko invece, introdotto nel secondo livello, è carino come dicevo prima.

Tra l'altro alla signorina è meglio non farle girare le ovaie o prende il primo mech scrauso che trova e ti prende a calci in culo con laser di svariata grandezza e forma.

 

Insomma, da quel che ho visto mi ritengo abbastanza soddisfatto dell'acquisto in preordine e penso che anche altri possano spendere in modi peggiori i loro soldi che cattando Tengoku (tipo preordinando un vero cash-in di una qualunque serie VG famosa). Non è perfetto e ormai lo sappiamo, sia dal punto di vista della storia che delle meccaniche, ma mi pare un gioco degno. Tra l'altro Rengoku è gratis.

 

Certo, se dovete scegliere tra questo e Bloodborne non sarò io a dirvi di non prendere BloodBorne. Forse vi perderete Rengoku, ma oh, ormai c'è il tubo. 

[Syrus]

Ma quindi, SeXsuko e Rand e Crowe non vanno nell'OG verse?  X(  peccato....) 

[Fencer]

-Non so se qualcuno ci stia già giocando intensivamente, ma a quanto pare gli ELS hanno una gimmick particolare: ogni attacco abbassa il morale di 10 punti. Si chiamano Infestazione.

Ho anche letto che se il morale dell'unità va sotto gli 80, viene distrutta, ma mi pare strano considerando che il minimo è 50. Certo che una roba del genere farebbe capire il terrore che Basara instillava nei Vajira durante i giochi precedenti (non so voi, ma da me puliva intere mappe degli stessi da solo se me lo dimenticavo là davanti dopo un buff).

 

- Questo invece è il definitivo funzionamento della Solarian e il suo D-Command (quello che muta aumentando il livello dello Z-Crystal, sono buff indipendenti dagli effetti dello stesso):

 

The Solarian is Treia's battleship that joins in stage 47.

There are a total of 6 types of D Commands. However, not all of them are unlocked from the start; the number of types of commands available to you increase as you increase the rank of the Z Crystal (for Grade 4 and 5, it doesn't matter which effect you choose; the D Command unlocked is the same).

Once per turn you can use one of the D Commands. 
However, you can only choose a specific type of D Command only once per map, meaning it will take 6 turns for you to use all 6 types of D Commands.

D Commands:
Upperfield: All units within 3 squares of the Solarian (including the Solarian) gain +5 morale

Tension MAX: selected ally team has Tag Tension filled to max

Keep Combo: during the phase (turn) which this command is used, Combo Gauge will not decrease even if you fail to destroy an enemy team. Put more simply, the Combo Gauge will not decrease for the duration of the turn you use this.

Dimension Call: the selected team will be moved to an adjacent square next to the Solarian. Will not work if a unit is already occupying a square or if the unit cannot stand in the terrain selected.

Revive Chance: only usable on a unit who has already used its turn (is grayed out). Allows the unit to move again (think the Enable seishin from Z2)

Full Miracle: causes a miracle to occur on the selected unit (which can be the Solarian itself), adding several seishin. (casts every seishin on the unit excluding Mercy, Analyze, and Confuse)

 

-Questi invece sono gli effetti delle canzoni di Basara:

 

Planet Dance: Restores HP
Totsugeki Love Heart: Increase Morale
My Friends: Restores SP
Power to the Dream: Increase Maximum Morale
Dynamite Explosion: Gives Bless (Money x2), Cheer (EXP x2), & some buffs that being casted on Basara (i.e Hot Blood, Soul, Accel, etc).

 

(ricordatevi che se Basara ha castato Soul su se stesso, comunque Dynamite Explosion casterà l'Hot Blood sull'unità bersaglio, quindi niente The Heat Crusher a 2.5X di danno)

 

- Ah, in caso non si sappia, si comincia con 500.000 yen di fondi. Comunque, anche senza importare dati. M'ero dimenticato di dirlo. Non so se sia un bug, ma la versione 1.01 faceva partire ancora con quei fondi. Non so la 1.02 uscita in questi giorni.

 

- Ultima cosa. Play-Asia ha commissionato a ShonenGamez la traduzione di manuale e altre schermate per aiutare i niubbi a cominciare a giocare a Super Robot Taisen. Questa è la pagina:

 

http://www.shonengamez.com/2015/03/31/super-robot-wars-z3-2-translations-coming-soon/

 

Hanno già finito il manuale. Ma dovrebbe uscire ancora qualcos'altro una volta che la Perfect Guide sarà fuori.

Io ho già tirato giù tutto, voi vedete se v'interessa. Ovviamente anche akurasu sta venendo aggiornato.

 

http://akurasu.net/wiki/Super_Robot_Wars/Z3.2

[Maximilian]

Finito al 100% Z3.1. Mancano giusto un paio di trofei che ignorerò.

Ora parte la caccia a Z3.2.

Lo troverò.

[Maximilian]

L'ho trovato. Ora devo solo aspettare che passi l delirio natalizio delle spedizioni.

CI tenevo a farvelo sapere.

[Maximilian]

Arrivato. Il tempo di sistemare le custom BGM e poi... addio.